6.Jared Der-Yeghiayan — Direct (Part 4)
567 linesMR. TURNER: Agent Der-Yeghiayan, the whole time while you were working as a moderator in an undercover capacity, who was your boss?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Dread Pirate Roberts.
MR. TURNER: And in what way was Dread Pirate Roberts your boss?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He would be the one that paid me. He would be the one that would grant me new authorities on the website. He would be the one that would give direction and make the final say on a lot of either issues we would bring up, or if there was a discrepancy or an error or something with the site, we would bring it up with him to fix.
MR. TURNER: And was he the boss over the rest of the support staff, too?
MR. TURNER: How do you know?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Because whenever I would bring up an issue or discuss something with other support staff, it would always be deferred to Dread Pirate Roberts, or it would be decided by Dread Pirate Roberts in front of all the rest of the support staff, too.
MR. TURNER: And by "in front of," what do you mean?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: In conversation, that would be sort of like the private message that you would see between all the moderators and staff.
MR. TURNER: And when Dread Pirate Roberts would communicate with you directly, how would he do so? Through what system?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He would -- there was a -- it was referred to as staff chat that he set up, and it was a live chat server that he set up on Tor that would allow the staff to communicate in a live-like manner.
MR. TURNER: So let's back up. We've already seen private messages between you and Dread Pirate Roberts, right?
MR. TURNER: On the Silk Road forum?
MR. TURNER: Are you talking about something different now?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: There is private messaging on the marketplace. There is private messaging on the forums, and then, yes, this is something different that we referred to as staff chat.
MR. TURNER: Is staff chat a part of Silk Road or was it something separate?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was completely separate from Silk Road.
MR. TURNER: When you -- well, was it -- did it involve chatting over the ordinary Internet or was it chatting over Tor?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was still a Tor hidden service but it was still a tor.onion address.
MR. TURNER: How did you know how to set up this ability to communicate with DPR through the Tor chat system?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The instructions that were provided by DPR to the original operator of the account that I took over was in private message. So I was able to set up the same configuration on my computer to have that type of chat capabilities.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 127.
Do you recognize this document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was a screenshot that I took on September 30, 2013 of a private message that was in the Cirrus account that I was operating.
MR. TURNER: When you say it was in there, was this a private message that was already in the Cirrus in box by the time you took the account over?
MR. TURNER: The government offers Exhibit 127 into evidence, your Honor?
MR. DRATEL: Objection. Hearsay, your Honor.
THE COURT: GX-127 is received.
(Government's Exhibit 127 received in evidence)
THE COURT: Now, are you going to read from that document?
MR. TURNER: I am partially, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So let me just -- I meant to just mention to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury a couple of things about documents.
When you hear the Court receive a document into evidence, it is the document that is the evidence. Counsel may read things, parts of it, but if the entire document is in evidence, it is the document in evidence. So, for instance, if a word gets skipped over, "it" or, you know, some word is skipped over, it is the document that is actually in evidence and the text on the page.
Similarly, you have seen in a couple of these documents that there are emoticons, and so you should note that and that is part of the evidence of the document. So you can note whatever nonverbal statements may be made on the page in terms of punctuation and things of that nature.
All right. You can go ahead and proceed, Mr. Turner.
MR. TURNER: Thank you.
Can you publish Exhibit 127, Mr. Evert.
Could you zero in on the -- whoops -- the bottom message, please, down a third of the way.
That is good.
MR. TURNER: So this was a message sent from Dread Pirate Roberts to Cirrus on July 20, 2013. This is about a week before you took over the account?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That is correct.
MR. TURNER: It says: "Hey, we are all on a more secure chat channel. Here are the instructions for joining in:
"1. Download and install Pidgin."
Do you know what "Pidgin" refers to?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes. It's a program that you could use to do Internet chat.
MR. TURNER: Would you go down, please.
And then, 13, it says: "Add buddy 'dread@'" and then there is a long string of text ".onion. If I'm online we'll connect. There are a few more steps to finalize OTR, but those can be done once we're chatting."
What does "add buddy" mean in this context?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Add buddy would be like adding a favorite or a friend to your account, someone you could easily connect to.
MR. TURNER: Could you just explain generally what is like Internet chat and how does it compare to like private messages that we had been looking at?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Private message would be similar sort of to I guess email where you would send a message, wait for a reply. That person could reply whenever they are back online, they would see the message. Whereas, Internet chat would be something where both users are online at the same time and they communicate in realtime in the same like box in front of you.
MR. TURNER: And "box," you mean like window?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes. The window box, yes.
MR. TURNER: So did you -- I'm sorry, could you go back to 127, Mr. Evert.
Could you go up to Cirrus' reply.
This reply was sent July 20, the same day.
"I'll get it set up ASAP. Using Adium on Mac, which has a few other fields, so it'll take a short bit of trial and error. Be there when I can!"
What does Adium refer to?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Adium is similar to Pidgin, which is another program you can use to do Internet chat.
MR. TURNER: What kind of computer were you using in your undercover capacity?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was a MacBook.
MR. TURNER: So what program did you install to chat with Dread Pirate Roberts?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I used Adium as well.
MR. TURNER: So once you got the program set up, how often would you chat with DPR?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It would be probably every few days or so. Sometimes it might be a week before I would chat again with him.
MR. TURNER: How did DPR initiate a chat with you?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: DPR would be able to see since -- I would be able to see if he was online because I would buddy him and it would notify me when he was online or available to chat. And the same thing; he would see if I was online and available to chat, too. So you just simply have to click on the user's name and you could then initiate a chat with them.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 127A.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this exhibit?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It is a screenshot I took of my entire computer screen.
MR. TURNER: On what date?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I took this on September 22, 2013.
MR. TURNER: And what does the computer screen reflect?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It is everything available on the screen that I could see. It is not just the window that I normally take a screenshot of.
MR. TURNER: Does it include the chat window we had been discussing?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, it does.
MR. TURNER: The government offers 127A into evidence, your Honor.
MR. DRATEL: The previously stated objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Overruled. GX127A is received.
(Government's Exhibit 127A received in evidence)
BY MR. TURNER:
MR. TURNER: So what are we looking at here?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So this is -- in the background I have the Silk Road forum up on Dread Pirate Roberts' profile page.
MR. TURNER: That we have seen before, right?
MR. TURNER: So where is the chat window?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So on the right-hand side it's -- that's the chat that I opened up the profile in the chat box for Dread Pirate Roberts. So that shows what his profile looked like in the staff chat. And then on the left-hand side it is sort of hard to see, it was transparent but it was the buddy list that I had on my staff chat which I had the people that I had buddied, which is the other staff from Silk Road.
MR. TURNER: So you could speak to those other staff members that you talked about earlier?
MR. TURNER: Inigo, libertas and samesamebutdifferent?
MR. TURNER: Could you back out.
OK. The different times that appear on this screen, could you focus in on this side of the screen, Mr. Evert.
Up top it says 3:23 a.m. What time zone is that set to?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: My computer, I had it set for UTC time.
MR. TURNER: Universal Time?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: For the universal time, yes.
MR. TURNER: That is Greenwich Mean Time, like you mentioned before?
MR. TURNER: Then in the chat window here, local time, 20:23:05, what does that refer to?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That refers to whenever Dread Pirate Roberts would be online, it would show what the local time is for him, and as I understand it, that would be what time was on their computer.
MR. TURNER: And what time zone was that reflected in?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That would be Pacific Standard -- Pacific Time.
MR. TURNER: Did you set that to Pacific Standard Time, or is that the way it automatically appeared?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That is the way it automatically appeared every time you login.
MR. TURNER: When you chatted with people in other time zones, what time zones did it appear in?
MR. DRATEL: Objection.
THE COURT: Why don't you rephrase that.
BY MR. TURNER:
MR. TURNER: Would you talk to other staff members through chat?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I would.
MR. TURNER: How would their time zones appear?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So when I would talk to samesamebutdifferent, I knew he was in Australia. He would tell me he was in Australia. It would reflect a time zone in Australia. And the same thing with inigo, through the course of the investigation we believed that he might have been East Coast, and it was actually showing an East Coast time zone.
MR. TURNER: Throughout the time when you chatted with DPR through the system, what time zone was shown when you chatted with him or for his local time entry?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Every time I chatted with him it would show Pacific Time Zone.
MR. TURNER: Now, how could you tell from this window when DPR was online and available for chat?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: From this one, it would say the status. This one would tell you if he is available or if he was away or if he was offline.
MR. TURNER: OK. Here it is. When you chatted with DPR, how, if at all, did you document the chats?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It would be saved in the Adium program. There is a transcript that it would run automatically in the background and log the entire chat.
MR. TURNER: Is there a common term used for those transcripts?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The transcript log.
MR. TURNER: Is it a log?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: A log.
MR. TURNER: OK. Did DPR know that you were logging these chats?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I think he did not.
MR. TURNER: Should you -- I mean, I'm sorry. Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 127B, please?
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this exhibit?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It's a copy of the chat log that I had between myself and Dread Pirate Roberts on July 29, 2013.
MR. TURNER: The government offers Government Exhibit 127B into evidence, your Honor.
MR. DRATEL: The same objection, your Honor, as previously stated.
THE COURT: All right. Overruled.
And 127B is received.
(Government's Exhibit 127B received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Could you include the date up at the top, Mr. Evert.
MR. TURNER: So where is the date notated?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Up above.
MR. TURNER: July 29, 2013. And could you explain how to read these chat logs?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Sure. So each time that a user would post a message, it would be in a different color. Mine was in green in this instance with Cirrus, and then Dread would be in blue. And basically it would annotate the time that you would send the message as well as what was said, and it basically goes from oldest to newest.
MR. TURNER: OK. So it starts oldest at the top and then it goes down from there?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It works down, yes.
MR. TURNER: And, again, the time, what time zone is it reflected in?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: This would be UTC time.
MR. TURNER: And your communications are green in Cirrus and Dread is Dread Pirate Roberts?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Dread is Dread Pirate Roberts.
MR. TURNER: OK. So I will read it. It is starting at 6:11 p.m.
Cirrus says: Sorry, my Internet has been crappy today.
Dread: No worries.
Cirrus: What's going on?
Dread: I had a little task but inigo is on it.
Cirrus: I'm sorry, if you have anything else don't hesitate to ask.
Dread: no worries, I will
Cirrus: I don't know if you saw on the tech forum there were a few people reporting errors being received when trying to enter in their pin while moving bitcoins?
Dread: didn't see
Dread: recent?
Cirrus: yes, let me send you the link
Dread: I actually just moved btc from one SR acct to another without problem.
Cirrus: okay, well here is the thread…. probably just isolated stupidity.
And then there is some link there.
So, briefly, can you explain what this conversation was about?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: This was Dread had previously sent me a message asking for me to chat with him on the staff chat and so I wasn't online at the time. So I got online. As soon as I saw it, I got on the staff chat and I sent him that message asking him what he needed from me. I think he told me he had a task originally for me.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 127C.
Do you recognize this document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was another chat that happened between myself and Dread Pirate Roberts on August 19, 2013, using the staff chat.
MR. TURNER: The government offers Exhibit 127C into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: Objection on the previous grounds, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. 127C is received. The objection is overruled.
(Government's Exhibit 127C received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Could you zoom in on the top third of the document, Mr. Evert, including the date.
MR. TURNER: So this is from August 19, 2013, right?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: In UTC, yes.
MR. TURNER: What is the chat about? Give me an overview.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: This was just a normal chat that we just started talking to Dread Pirate Roberts, and it goes into him giving me more access on the marketplace.
MR. TURNER: Did he show you anything in this chat online?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, he did. He had just recently set up a new feature on the marketplace which was a new messaging system that was on there. And he was granting me access to -- it was like a admin panel on the marketplace. So he was -- to help moderate those new posts that would be placed on the marketplace, so he was going to walk me through setting that up, set up my access, as well as describing how he wanted me to moderate that section of the marketplace.
MR. TURNER: By "moderate," do you mean keep it organized like you described before?
MR. TURNER: So let's take a look, starting at 1:06:
Cirrus: Hey, how are you?
Dread: I'm good, you?
Cirrus: Doing okay, what's up?
Dread: Sorry, can you hang tight 5-10 min?
Cirrus: Of course. Smiley face.
Dread: Ok...
Dread: Are you logged into SR?
Dread: If you are, please log otu.
Dread: Out.
Cirrus: Okay. I'm out
Dread: Now go to --
And then there is a link, and is that the Silk Road dot-onion website address?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That is.
MR. TURNER: And then after that, it says "support/landing," right?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Correct.
MR. TURNER: So now go to that address and enter your user and pass. Let me know what happens.
Cirrus: OK, standby.
Got invalid login.
Disregard.
I'm good.
What was going on there?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Once I went to that URL and with my account --
MR. TURNER: What is a URL?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I'm sorry. The address of the Silk Road that he put in this post here, the support landing page, there was two boxes on there that -- and he told me to enter in my username and password. So the first box I entered my username and the second box I entered my password and then hit "go" on it.
MR. TURNER: Were you having trouble at first?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: At first, yeah. It wasn't working the first time I tried it, but then I realized that I think I hit in the password wrong.
MR. TURNER: Then it says: Dread, are you in this support panel.
Cirrus: It's loading. OK, it loaded.
At that point what came on to your screen?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: At that point a new page appeared that I had never seen before. It was a page that had various boxes on there that appeared that I could do a number of things or that you could search a number of things, just different options I had never seen from Silk Road before.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 127D.
MR. TURNER: Mr. Evert, could you move that to the top of the screen.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: This is a screenshot that I took of that support panel on August 19, 2013.
MR. TURNER: The government offers 127D into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: The same objection, your Honor, as I had previously stated.
THE COURT: All right. There isn't one on the Pretrial Order.
MR. DRATEL: I'm sorry. I am looking at the wrong one.
Hearsay, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. So that objection is overruled. 127D is received.
(Government's Exhibit 127D received in evidence)
BY MR. TURNER:
MR. TURNER: OK. So this is the support screen that came up when you said, "OK, it loaded."
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, it was.
MR. TURNER: And there are some boxes here. One says "Customer support." The other says "Vendor Support." Another says "Resolutions." And then there is "Vendors," "Items" and "Posts" over here.
Do you see that?
MR. TURNER: OK. Could you go back into the chat, Mr. Evert, and go down a little bit.
MR. TURNER: OK. The next line, it says:
Dread: OK. Click on the number next to unread under customer support. Should say no access.
MR. TURNER: Could you zoom in, Mr. Evert, in here.
Nope. Over here. OK. Go back into the chat. All right.
MR. TURNER: Should say no access.
Cirrus: Yes, it does.
Could you explain what was going on in the chat during this time?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So as he instructed me to click on that number, which is the green number, in this case the 107 next to unread, when I clicked on it, I got the result that said that I had no access to that.
MR. TURNER: Could you back out, Mr. Evert.
MR. TURNER: Now, the next line of the chat says: Now click vendors, top right. Should say no access.
MR. TURNER: Could you zoom into this entire thing over here, Mr. Evert.
MR. TURNER: OK. Yep, same thing.
So what happened next?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Again, I clicked on the number next to "unread," which is the 39 in this case, and it came back also as no access.
MR. TURNER: Then it says -- the next line is:
Dread: Now click posts. Should load a page.
Cirrus: OK. I see it.
So did you click on "posts" over here?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I clicked on posts.
MR. TURNER: And what came up?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: When I clicked on posts, then it took me to another page that I had never seen before on Silk Road that was -- it was like -- it was a result of messages that were flagged in that new messaging system.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 127E.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It is a screenshot that I took on August 19, 2013 of the flagged messages.
MR. TURNER: The government offers 127E into evidence, your Honor.
THE COURT: There is no objection noted, Mr. Dratel. Do you have an objection?
MR. DRATEL: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Received.
(Government's Exhibit 127E received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Put it down to the bottom panel, Mr. Evert. Zoom in a little bit. That is good.
MR. TURNER: OK. So what did you see exactly?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: This is the page that I would have seen.
MR. TURNER: Well, let's keep reading, actually.
Cirrus: OK, I see it.
Dread: These are flagged posts from the new discussion boards. You're going to be our quality control expert on this.
Cirrus: OK. Is this connected at all to the other forums?
Dread: No, it's all on SR.
What was meant by "SR"?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: SR was generally the way we referred to the market. It would just be SR, Silk Road.
MR. TURNER: Cirrus: OK.
Dread: You can now click discuss on items, vendors and categories. We're going to be pretty strict about what gets through. So if it's off topic or inflammatory, basically anything that isn't calm, polite, etc., and on topic gets pulled.
Cirrus: That's easy enough. So a lot more strict than we handle the other -- go to page 2 -- the other forum?
Dread: Yes.
Cirrus: Who's the people on this?
Dread: The forum is the backyard party.
Cirrus: Anyone?
Dread: This is the storefront.
Cirrus: Alright.
Dread: Right now as long as you've spent $100 or more you can post or if you are a vendor.
Cirrus: I see, so this is the moderator functions for the discussions on the main site?
Dread: Yep. Flagged posts go here. They are sorted by weight. Weight is the total weight of all the users who flagged it. Count is the number of users who've flagged the post.
Cirrus: So basically the discussions have to be related to the products, etc., and is not for random discussions or bitching. I got it
Dread: Yes, that's right.
What is going on here? What was this is flags page used for?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: This flag page was used to alert basically staff or myself if there is a message on a new post -- a message system that was inappropriate or shouldn't belong on the marketplace.
MR. TURNER: Can you take a look at Government Exhibit 127F.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It is a screenshot that I took from my account of the Silk Road marketplace of one of the vendors, that new discussion page that would be available, and I took it on August 29, 2013.
MR. TURNER: The government offers 127F into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: Hearsay, your Honor.
THE COURT: That objection is overruled.
127F, as in Frank, is received.
(Government's Exhibit 127F received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Could you exit out of this? That is fine, and then put that up top. All the way over.
MR. TURNER: All right. So this is this new type of message board that was on the Silk Road marketplace?
MR. TURNER: And it was -- there would be a single board for each vendor on the marketplace?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes. There would be a page like this attached to every vendor.
MR. TURNER: So who is the vendor here?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The vendor in this case is supertrips.
MR. TURNER: And then people can just post a message on this page?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes. So long as they met the requirements that DPR discussed in that previous chat.
MR. TURNER: If they had spent more than $100?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Right, or they are another vendor.
MR. TURNER: Then to the side there is a little flag button?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That would be where you would report as a user on the site a post such as this, and that would then reflect on that page on this support panel.
MR. TURNER: So if I am a user and I click on "flag," what happens to this support panel that we were looking at earlier?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Then that message would be reported on the flag message page that we saw earlier.
MR. TURNER: OK. All right. So how long did you continue working as a moderator for the Dread Pirate Roberts?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: From July -- late July 2013 to the time that we shut down the site. So October 1st, basically once we arrested the defendant.
MR. TURNER: When you first started working for DPR in an undercover capacity in July 2013, were you investigating the defendant, Ross Ulbricht, in any way at that time?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: No, I was not.
MR. TURNER: Had you ever heard of the defendant at that point?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: No, I had not.
MR. TURNER: When did the defendant, Ross Ulbricht, first come to your attention?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was approximately around September 10th, September 11th, 2013.
MR. TURNER: And who brought the defendant to your attention?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was Special Agent Gary Alford with the Internal Revenue Service.
MR. TURNER: And does Gary Alford work for any other federal agency?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He was assigned -- I think he is still aside to the OCDETF Strike Force in New York, Organized Crime Division, I think, Task Force.
MR. TURNER: It is A drug task force?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Essentially, yes.
MR. TURNER: So without telling me what Agent Alford told you about the defendant, how, if at all, did his information change the focus of your investigation?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The information that he brought out looked like a pretty good match potentially.
MR. TURNER: Who did you begin investigating after you received information from Gary Alford?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Ross Ulbricht.
MR. TURNER: And at that point in time, September 2013, were you working in partnership with any other law enforcement agency personnel?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I was.
MR. TURNER: Who were you working with?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I was working with, in addition to Special Agent Gary Alford, I was working with an FBI separate group in New York.
MR. TURNER: Did the FBI also begin investigating the defendant as a result of Agent Alford's information?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, they were.
MR. TURNER: At some point did the FBI obtain a warrant for the defendant's arrest?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, they did.
MR. TURNER: Approximately when was that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was sometime late September 2013.
MR. TURNER: And did you take part in the planning for that arrest?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I did.
MR. TURNER: And what was the plan that was developed?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The plan was to try to get in a position where we could have the defendant in a public setting, in a public place, such as an Internet cafe or somewhere where they would be required to use Internet and that we would be able to initiate a chat with them.
MR. TURNER: Initiate a chat with who?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: With the defendant.
MR. TURNER: OK. In terms of -- let's see. So the plan was to observe Mr. Ulbricht --
MR. DRATEL: Objection, your Honor.
MR. TURNER: I just want to be clear. When you are talking about initiating a chat, who were you in a position to initiate a chat with?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I was going to utilize my access to the staff chat with DPR to start a chat with DPR once -- if we could get Ross Ulbricht into an area where he would be in a public setting.
MR. TURNER: I just want to distinguish throughout this discussion the DPR you are seeing with any surveillance, physical surveillance of the defendant. Can you agree to do that?
MR. TURNER: OK. So what was the point of the plan? What was the purpose of planning the arrest that way?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The purpose of that was to -- if indeed Ross Ulbricht was Dread Pirate Roberts, if I was to initiate a chat with him while he was in a public setting, that we would try to get his computer in a nonencrypted -- in an open state where we could then observe the same chat on his computer that I would be having with Dread Pirate Roberts.
MR. TURNER: When you say "unencrypted," get the laptop in an unencrypted state, what do you mean?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: What I mean by that is if it's protected by a password, get in a place where he has already logged in with that password so that the computer is open then.
MR. TURNER: When you say "open," what do you mean?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Open and all of the files are available that are on the computer.
MR. TURNER: What could cause a computer to lock up?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Just by shutting it down, just by closing -- if it is a laptop, by closing the lid, by -- you could set up other type of triggers that could cause it to then turn on the password. So there could be hot keys you could set up that could turn it on, or you could actually just click shut down on it as well.
MR. TURNER: So where was the defendant living at this time?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: In San Francisco, California.
MR. TURNER: Where did the defendant's arrest take place?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: In San Francisco, California, at the Glen Park library.
MR. TURNER: Glen Park is a suburb or a part of San Francisco?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I believe so. I'm not sure, though.
MR. DRATEL: Objection.
MR. TURNER: Withdrawn.
MR. TURNER: On what date, again, did the arrest take place?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The arrest took place on October 1, 2013.
MR. TURNER: And approximately what time of day did the arrest occur?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It occurred around like 3 p.m., 3:15-ish.
MR. TURNER: When did you arrive in San Francisco for the arrest?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I arrived September 30, 2013.
MR. TURNER: The day before?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The day before.
MR. TURNER: And in October 1st, 2013, where did you go to meet the arrest team?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That day, around -- probably around noontime Pacific Time I met up with the rest of the arrest team a few blocks away from Mr. Ulbricht's home.
MR. TURNER: Why were you told to -- where did you meet specifically?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was the Bello -- it was right outside the Bello Cafe. It was an Internet cafe that was there.
MR. TURNER: Why were you told to go there?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That's where the team was assembling.
MR. TURNER: Do you know why they were assembled there?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was far away enough from the home where we were not -- if we were going to be seen in a group together, that might be unusual or to try to -- it might gain his attention. And, also, that area was somewhere where he was observed the day beforehand in a public Internet cafe on his computer.
MR. TURNER: And how many members of the arrest team were there, approximately, do you know, roughly?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: There might have been five or six at the time.
MR. TURNER: Were the people in plainclothes or official law enforcement gear, or what?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: They were -- everyone was in street clothes that day.
MR. TURNER: Did you see everybody there with you, or were they spread out in the area?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I didn't know everyone that was there that day. They were spread out in different locations. There was people in different cafes up and down the area.
MR. TURNER: Was the plan definitely to arrest him that day, or was there flexibility built into the plan?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: There was flexibility. I mean, there was --
MR. TURNER: What was the contingent on in terms of the decision to arrest him that day?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Based upon the previous day and seeing him in the cafe, we decided that it would be better to try to see if -- return to that same cafe and use his computer as well so I could initiate the chat on that day. If he hadn't gone anywhere that day, then we would wait until the next day or even the day later.
MR. TURNER: What ability did you have to monitor whether the Dread Pirate Roberts was online at the time you were in this area setting up the arrest?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I had my laptop computer on me the entire day. Pretty much had it on almost 24 hours at that point, and I was connected to the Internet using a mobile hot spot that was with me. So I had my laptop with me and my Internet connection that I could take with me anywhere.
MR. TURNER: And so how were you monitoring him, DPR?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Through the staff chat primarily because -- and the forum as well. The forum would show when he was online, and the staff chat would tell me, too, if he was online.
MR. TURNER: Can you take a look at Government Exhibit 128A?
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: What is it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It is an overview of the area where the arrest took place around the Glen Park library.
MR. TURNER: And based on your experience there, can you say whether the map fairly and accurately depicts the area surrounding the place of arrest?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, it does.
MR. TURNER: The government offers Exhibit 128A into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: No objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Received.
(Government's Exhibit 128A received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Could you point with your laser pointer? Do you still have it up there?
MR. TURNER: Where did you go to initially set up for the arrest?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: OK. So this is the Cafe Bello, and we were standing primarily most of the time around that corner right there.
MR. TURNER: Which corner?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I'm sorry. Right on the edge, right there in front of Cafe Bello, which is right next to the Glen Park library.
MR. TURNER: When you say "we," who were you with?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I was with a computer specialist from FBI Tom Kiernan as well as Special Agent Chris Tarbell of the FBI.
MR. TURNER: And Kiernan, K-i-e-r-n-a-n, is that how you spell that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I believe so.
MR. TURNER: So approximately when did you arrive in that area?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Around like later in the afternoon, so like around 12:40, 1 o'clock p.m.
MR. TURNER: What happened next? What happened after you arrived?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: After I arrived, I was instructed to go to the cafe where I was the previous day and to wait there to see if he would show up during the day.
MR. TURNER: And did he?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: No, he did not.
MR. TURNER: And were you monitoring DPR's online activity during this time?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I was.
MR. TURNER: What was the status of that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He was online at the time. DPR was online on the staff chat, and he remained online through the time that I was in that cafe.
MR. TURNER: OK. So what happened next?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The cafe closed around 2 p.m. and so I left there. I went back to -- or outside that Cafe Bello, in the same area.
MR. TURNER: Could you just make clear, you went to a different area in that cafe. Approximately where was that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was down the street. It is not on the map. It is a little bit down from that --
MR. TURNER: So you walked back to Cafe Bello and then what happens?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So I was outside Cafe Bello for a little bit, and my computer was running low on power. So I went inside the Cafe Bello to charge my computer. It was around like 2/2:40 or so, like 2:45 p.m. At that time, or really close to that time, DPR also went offline on the staff chat so he signed off.
MR. TURNER: Did you take a screenshot of that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I did.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 129A.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It is, again, a capture of my entire computer screen on my computer at that time on October 1, 2013.
MR. TURNER: The government offers Exhibit 129A into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: Just as I had previously stated, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. The objection is overruled.
129A is received.
(Government's Exhibit 129A received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Publish the exhibit, please, Mr. Evert.
Could you zoom in on this area.
MR. TURNER: OK. Could you explain what is shown in the exhibit?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So this is again that staff chat on Dread Pirate Roberts' profile, and I took the screenshot right after he signed off from the staff chat, which then it is reflected on there as saying signing off 16 seconds ago.
MR. TURNER: So it says 9:47 p.m. What time zone is that in?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That one is UTC.
MR. TURNER: So I thought before you said that you saw DPR's time zone in Pacific Time?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I did.
MR. TURNER: When would that happen?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That was only when he was online and actually active online. When he would go offline, it would revert back to my time zone and into UTC.
MR. TURNER: So how many hours ahead was UTC compared to your local time in San Francisco?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was seven hours ahead.
MR. TURNER: So the actual local time was 2:47 p.m.?
MR. TURNER: OK. And back out, Mr. Evert.
MR. TURNER: You said your computer was low in power. Is that reflected anywhere?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: On the upper right-hand corner. I was at 18 percent.
MR. TURNER: OK. So you are in the Internet cafe, Cafe Bello, at this point?
MR. TURNER: What happens next?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I then -- I'm charging my computer. It was hard to find someplace to charge. It was completely full inside the cafe. So I was off on the side and I found an outlet, and I was notified that Ulbricht had left his home and that he was headed in the direction of the cafe. And so I unplugged my computer and went out of the cafe and crossed the street to join up with computer scientist Tom Kiernan.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at 128B, please.
Do you recognize this exhibit?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: 128B?
MR. TURNER: Yes.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It's a photograph of San Francisco in the area we were at on the street, where the Cafe Bello is at as well as the area where I crossed the street that day.
MR. TURNER: Did you take this photograph?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: No, I did not.
MR. TURNER: Does it fairly and accurately depict the area you were in at the time you were just describing?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, it does.
MR. TURNER: The government moves Exhibit 128B into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: No objection.
THE COURT: Received.
(Government's Exhibit 128B received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: So what are we looking at here?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: On the left-hand side --
MR. TURNER: You can use your laser pointer if it would help.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Over here is the Cafe Bello. You see the door entrance to it.
And as soon as I was notified that Mr. Ulbricht had left his home and was headed in this direction, I exited out of that door, went across the street to a bench similar to that, where Tom Kiernan was at, and I sat down beside him.
MR. TURNER: Do you know who Tom Kiernan is?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The FBI computer scientist.
MR. TURNER: And what happened next?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So I sat down on the bench, and I had my computer with me. It was still open. It was still on.
At that time DPR was not online when I was sitting there, and I asked Tom if he knows where the person was at, where Ulbricht was at at the time.
MR. TURNER: Without telling me what he said in response, keep going, what did you observe?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Then so while I was sitting there, I looked to my right, which is at that -- this corner right here, and I then saw Mr. Ulbricht on the corner standing there and facing this direction over on this side, waiting for the light basically to turn so he could cross the street.
MR. TURNER: Did you -- was he alone or with others?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He was by himself.
MR. TURNER: Was he carrying anything?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, he was.
MR. TURNER: What was he carrying?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He had a small shoulder bag.
MR. TURNER: Where did you see him go?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So the light turned so that he could cross the street. So he crossed the street, and then he proceeded to come up the street and entered the Cafe Bello.
MR. TURNER: What did you observe next?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was probably about 30 seconds later Mr. Ulbricht came back out of the Cafe Bello, looked to his right, and then proceeded down the street in that direction.
MR. TURNER: Had you just been in the Cafe Bello?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I had.
MR. TURNER: Was it crowded?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was.
MR. TURNER: All right. So what did you observe next?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Mr. Ulbricht continued to -- after he turned -- after he exited out of the Cafe Bello, he turned right and then entered into the Glen Park library.
MR. TURNER: Could you take a look at Government Exhibit 128C.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this photograph?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It's a photograph of the Cafe Bello and the Glen Park library in San Francisco.
MR. TURNER: Your Honor, we offer 128C into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: No objection.
THE COURT: Received.
(Government's Exhibit 128C received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: So what does this photo depict?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: This would be the entrance of the Cafe Bello, where I observed Mr. Ulbricht exit out and then turn to his right and then enter into this door right here, which is the Glen Park library.
MR. TURNER: Your Honor, I probably have an hour of questioning left. I don't know if this might be a good point to stop.
THE COURT: Let's go ahead and continue and go until a few minutes before 5, around 5 to 5.
MR. TURNER: So during this time when you observed him walking on the street, go into the cafe, into the library, what was DPR's online status?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He was still offline on the staff chat and the forum.
MR. TURNER: So what happened after you observed the defendant enter the library?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: And as soon as Mr. Ulbricht entered the library, the computer scientist Tom Kiernan let me in into the library as well. Special Agent Chris Tarbell, who had been walking down the street at the time, after he came and rejoined me by the bench where I was sitting.
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MR. TURNER: So Tom Kiernan went in -- he followed Mr. Ulbricht into the library?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: He did.
MR. TURNER: What happened after that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: After that, Special Agent Tarbell was giving out directions to the rest of the arrest team, telling them that.
MR. TURNER: How was he giving directions?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Through email.
MR. TURNER: Were you on those email chains?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I was.
MR. TURNER: Okay.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The directions included make sure to pull the laptop first, then arrest, and he also said to make sure to give time for the UC, which is the undercover, which would be me, to chat with him once he logs on before anyone initiates arrest on him.
MR. TURNER: Was there -- were there any agents in the library?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: There were other people in there. I wasn't aware of all the people that were in the library.
MR. TURNER: Okay. So what happened after Mr. Ulbricht entered the library and those instructions were given?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: So not too long after, maybe a few minutes later or within a few minutes, Dread Pirate Roberts came online on the staff chat. And as soon as I saw him come online, I then initiated a chat with him, trying to ask him to go into a specific place on the Silk Road -- into the admin panel to log in to check something.
MR. TURNER: How did you see him come online in the first place?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It reflected on the staff chat. It showed that he was available. It showed that he was online.
MR. TURNER: Did you take a screen shot of that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I did.
MR. TURNER: Can you take a look at Government Exhibit 129B. Do you recognize this exhibit?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was, again, a screen shot of my entire screen at the time when Dread Pirate Roberts came online.
MR. TURNER: The government offers 129B into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: No objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: Received.
(Government's Exhibit 129B received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Can you zoom in the same part of the screen as before, Mr. Evert.
MR. TURNER: The computer is up to 22 percent now?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I got a little bit of juice. It didn't last very long. Yeah.
MR. TURNER: How does this reflect Dread Pirate Roberts coming online?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: On the profile it says the status turned to available and then the timezone turned back towards Pacific time.
MR. TURNER: Just to make sure so we understand, it says 15:08:41. What does that mean? What sort of time is that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It's military time, so it would be the 15th hour of the day, so that would be 3:00 p.m.
MR. TURNER: So it's now 3:08 San Francisco time, correct?
MR. TURNER: So what did you do after you saw Dread Pirate Roberts online?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I initiated a chat with him.
MR. TURNER: And did you take a screen shot of that chat?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I did.
MR. TURNER: Or rather, did you make a log of that chat as we saw before?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I did.
MR. TURNER: Can you take a look at Government Exhibit 129B.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: "B" as in boy?
MR. TURNER: Yes. 129C. Excuse me.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Okay.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize this document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It's the chat log that I had with Dread Pirate Roberts on October 1, 2013.
MR. TURNER: The government offers 129C into evidence, your Honor.
THE COURT: 129C is received. Hearing nothing --
MR. DRATEL: I'm sorry. No objection.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you.
(Government's Exhibit 129C received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: Can you zoom in to about here, Mr. Evert. Actually, I'm sorry, go out a little bit. Start here and go all the way down. Great.
MR. TURNER: There's an entry for changed status to offline, 9:47 p.m. Changed status to online, 10:08 p.m. Again, what does that reflect?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: As long as I'm still online and as long as my chat box that I have initiated with Dread Pirate Roberts is open, it will log every time he logs off and logs on. So this is reflecting that Dread Pirate Roberts' status had changed to offline at 9:47 p.m, which would have been 2:47 Pacific and that he changed back to online at 10:08 which would have been 3:08 p.m.
MR. TURNER: And then about 30 seconds later you, you write hi?
MR. TURNER: And about a minute later, you write are you there?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I didn't get a response for about a minute, so I asked if he was there.
MR. TURNER: And then about 30 seconds later, there's a response:
dread: hey
cirrus: How are you doing?
dread: im ok, you?
cirrus: Good, can you check out one of the flagged messages for me?
dread: sure
dread: let me log in
cirrus: ok
dread: you did bitcoin exchange before you started working for me, right?
cirrus: yes.. but just for a little bit
dread: not any more then?
cirrus: no, I stopped because of the reporting requirements
dread: damn regulators, eh?
dread: ok, which post?
cirrus: lol yep
cirrus: there was the one with the Atlantis
So how long had you been chatting by this point by the time you reached the last line there?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It was about four minutes.
MR. TURNER: And what did you mean when you say can you check one of the flagged messages for me?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: What I was asking him to do was to log in to that support panel and that flagged message section where he gave me the access rights to administer on the marketplace.
And what that would cause him to do is to force him to log in under another administrator account, which presumably would be his Dread Pirate Roberts account and would force him then to access that page; so basically trying to get him online as Dread Pirate Roberts in the marketplace as well as chatting.
MR. TURNER: When you told him to go to that flagged messages screen, did you yourself have that screen full pulled up on your computer at the time?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Yes, I did.
MR. TURNER: Can you go back to 129C, please, or 129B.
MR. TURNER: Can you point the jury to where that flagged messages page was on your screen.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Sorry. I have a lot of things going on at the same time.
So there is in the background here, you see the outer edge of the market place and that flag message page up.
MR. TURNER: Did you also take a screen shot of that window in and of itself?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I did.
MR. TURNER: So would you take a look at what's been marked as Government exhibit 129D.
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Okay.
MR. TURNER: Do you recognize that document?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I do.
MR. TURNER: How do you recognize it?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: It is a screen shot that I took later on that evening of that flagged message page.
MR. TURNER: The government offers Exhibit 129D into evidence.
MR. DRATEL: No objection, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right 129D is received.
(Government's Exhibit 129D received in evidence)
MR. TURNER: You said the end of your chat -- actually, can you pull it back up, Mr. Evert, to the top of the screen, 129C, the chat right around the bottom there.
You mentioned at the end there was the one with the Atlantis. What were you referring to?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: There's another marketplace which I'm referring to as Atlantis that there was a lot of, we call it, spam advertisements that were affecting our marketplace or the Silk Road marketplace, and that was something that was constantly -- something of attention, something that we discussed. So there was a flagged message that was on there from Atlantis advertisement.
MR. TURNER: Okay. So what happened towards the end of this chat?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: They -- so as I'm asking to go in, he asked me about the -- about whether or not I did the bitcoin exchange before. And I was waiting for basically a sign that he was logged in at the time of the market. And as soon as he said "okay, which post," then I knew that he was -- he was on that page, that he was viewing it. So I knew that he was logged into that flag message page, which then I gave a signal to Special Agent Chris Tarbell that they should effect the arrest, and I continued typing after that.
MR. TURNER: So what happened after that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: As soon as I got done with that last message Agent Tarbell and myself got up and walked to -- walked over to the library. I didn't close my laptop or didn't shut it down, I left it online --
MR. TURNER: Let me back you up. You said you gave a signal to Agent Tarbell around this point. Do you know what Agent Tarbell did in response?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Agent Tarbell gave a signal to the team through email to go do the arrest.
MR. DRATEL: Objection.
THE COURT: Let me think for one second. How do you know that?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I was on the email chain.
THE COURT: I'll allow it.
MR. TURNER: And at what point in the chat was that, just to be clear?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: That was right at when the last thing that Dread said, so around 10:14, which would have been around, like, the 3:14 mark.
MR. TURNER: So 3:14:19, Dread says "okay, which post," after that, you give the signal, after that, Agent Tarbell gives the signal to effectuate the arrest?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Correct.
MR. TURNER: Was it your understanding there were agents inside the library at that point?
MR. TURNER: So how much longer were you online available to receive chat messages from Dread Pirate Roberts?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: I kept the computer online. I walked into the library --
MR. TURNER: How far was the library from where you were?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: Maybe 50 feet, and so I entered the library with Agent Tarbell and we went up the first flight of stairs, we didn't fully enter into the library, we stayed sort of -- it's an upstairs --
MR. TURNER: What do you mean it's an upstairs library?
JARED DER-YEGHIAYAN: The library is located upstairs in the building. So we went up half the flight of stairs and waited there and they brought Mr. Ulbricht -- the agents that arrested him to us at the stairs. At that point in time, I shut my computer and put it in my book bag and that was reflected on there at 10:16 p.m. so it would have been 3:16.
MR. TURNER: Would you like me to keep going, your Honor.